MannyTheSeaCow I wasn't fighting with you. This is not what I call a fight. I was having a discussion about Cryogenic tubes, You took exception to the second source I provided saying it was not up to scientific standards, on second look I see your point about that often referenced opinion. It is not germane to Hi-Fidelity reproduction. If You are offended and feel I was fighting with you I assure you that was not my intention. My first response to your post was by all means let's have a link.
But you also replied saying that there was a body of work on the subject. I've asked repeatedly for you to produce one reference as evidence either way in support of your opinion and against the opinion of Industry Leaders, Mechanical Engineers, Electrical Engineers from your scholarly subscriptions.
Then you said you didn't wanna leave links. To this I said then then go ahead and cut and paste it. A very reasonable response to your counter argument. That you think I am throwing down the gauntlet and fighting with you puzzles me when it would be much simpler to just support your argument with a quote or reference.
(again I quote you)
Edited: So I started typing keywords like “cryo vacuum nickel”, “cryo molybdenum vacuum”, etc. and was getting dozens of results of real scientific research, with a hypothesis, methods, and results, that was published in peer reviewed scientific journals.
So you are wrong
I would be satisfied if you published some "real scientific research, with a hypothesis, methods, and results, that was published in peer reviewed scientific journals" from the dozens you found that counters the opinion of many.
Quote:We do not offer cryo treatment to our tubes. We have consulted with mechanical and electrical engineers about the process. While it does have benefits by relaxing stress in metal parts (the process is used by the military on weapons parts and aircraft parts) it does nothing to tubes. The critical metal parts of a tube are sealed inside, in a vacuum, so the coolant never touches those parts that need the treatment. Hench no effect or change happens to the operating parts of the tube. We do not sell smoke, mirrors, or snake oil.
Further comments I made are not directed solely at you.
When I did quote you verbatim I used your name.
I've given you every opportunity to substantiate your opinion with the facts you claim that have been published.
Aside from sarcasm I have done nothing to insult you or fight with you.
When people say I don't care about science (and I'm not saying you said that but many people have) I can only shake my head.
If you had published the evidence you claim to have multiple references to this discussion would've been over days ago.
Don't take it personally but take a stand on your opinion. It is you that turned this into an argument rather than a discussion. You never hurt my feelings, I am much thicker skinned than that. An apology was unnecessary but what was necessary was for you to support your position that you stated was available to you.
It does seem to me after reading this thread that many people don't even understand the question. It is not whether you can transfer heat or cold through the vacuum of outer space, or if inside a vacuum cryogenics can be used to treat and cause affect on various metals.
The question is whether cryo affects the various metal parts inside a glass envelope vacuum in a positive way by treating it from the outside of the Glass Sealed Envelope Vacuum Tube........
That people don't care is meaningless to the facts, if people wanna judge with their ears that's fine.
I myself can't hear anything above 12k, but I do believe that even though I can't hear frequencies above that range they do affect other frequencies harmonically that I can hear. This is why I love tubes and appreciate their sound.
A quote from H.L Mencken comes to mind.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. ..."
To others in the chorus all I can say is enjoy the music.