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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #750 - 01/01/25 at 16:24:39
 
That is an amazing album Geno, and you remind me I haven't listened to it for a while. And probably should upgrade my recording, which is pretty old. Also, don't sleep on Isle of the Dead.

Anyway, Happy New Year! and Happy New Page and next Beethoven symphony, No. 4.



DSD rip from Tower Japan SACD.

I've said before the 4th is probably my single favorite Beethoven symphony, and Andre Cluytens and the Berlin Philharmonic is probably my favorite symphony cycle. So there.
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Reply #751 - 01/02/25 at 21:45:37
 
Jeno Jando is an interesting case. He was the original house pianist for Naxos, and made a bunch of records, everything from Bach to Bartok, and remarkably well played. So well played that I guess the critics thought he must be some kind of mindless automaton, or even a robot. But I always thought he was one of the most engaging musicians of the day and really liked pretty much everything I heard. Like Schubert's "Unfinished" Piano Sonata no. 15.



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Reply #752 - 01/02/25 at 23:20:40
 
Inspired by watching the John Williams documentary on Disney+, I decided to stream some of his works under the Deutsche Grammaphon label.  Streaming in Hi Res through Qobuz.   While this is not traditional classical music and being torn between which place to post this album, I felt this was the better place to post his music as opposed to the “What’s Spinning”  section.  

I’ve also gone down the rabbit hole with looking for a good vinyl pressing of Star Wars.  So far it seems like the Polydor RSO label is preferred over the 20th Century Fox.  

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Reply #753 - 01/03/25 at 00:35:18
 
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...I’ve also gone down the rabbit hole with looking for a good vinyl pressing of Star Wars.  So far it seems like the Polydor RSO label is preferred over the 20th Century Fox


Been there done that . If you don't insist on the original movie sound track I think this is your best bet:



On CD, LP.

And not just because it is from LA. I have a decent London pressing but if you want to go crazy there is a MFSL issue that I recall was pretty sweet:

https://www.discogs.com/sell/list?sort=price%2Cdesc&limit=25&master_id=45657...

P.S. Star Wars absolutely belongs here



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Reply #754 - 01/03/25 at 00:51:33
 
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Been there done that  . If you don't insist on the original movie sound track I think this is your best bet
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I dug through 7 pages on the Hoffman forum, and the Zubin Mehta album was mentioned as a highly recommended album.  In the Williams documentary on Disney, they briefly talk about the relationship between the two.  If you have access to Disney+, then I would highly recommend watching the documentary.  It’s in 4K Ultra HD, Dolby Vision, 5.1…. So needless to say I had to watch it through my Zen’s.  

Undecided if I’m going to buy the Zubin Mehta or the true Star Wars album.  I’ll keep you posted.  Thanks.
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Reply #755 - 01/03/25 at 01:04:23
 
I look forward to your further adventures. IMO (and back in the day I spent plenty of time with both) Mehta/London runs up the score on the original for sound. It is an arrangement and "only" 20something minutes, which is a downside for some but I consider that a bonus compared to the full movie soundtrack. Also Close Encounters is very good as well.

And since we're talking Star Wars, I've seen a couple of screenings where the music was performed live by an orchestra. Which is very cool. Except, if you know anything about trumpet playing, hitting all the high notes at the end after playing for 2 hours was a struggle, even for pros.
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Reply #756 - 01/03/25 at 01:15:48
 
I really like Star Wars (the original trilogy, not the 21st century stuff) and not least because the music is so great and played such a big part in the movie. I almost forgot I had this one:



On CD.

It might have been the very first Telarc/Kunzel recording and while it is very good (but not as good as the LA Phil) it opens with a 2 minute synth bit that I find incredibly annoying. So I almost never listen to it.
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Reply #757 - 01/03/25 at 18:53:52
 
My first exposure to Mozart's c minor wind serenade was as a teenager in youth orchestra and I though it was pretty close to the best thing ever. At the time I felt like it's perfect marriage of pathos and classical elegance was just what I needed to feed my adolescent angst, and even having outgrown my angst I still think it is pretty much the best thing ever.



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I'd probably call the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra my "go to" recording, but when I want to spice it up I'll go with the Czech Philharmonic winds.
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Reply #758 - 01/03/25 at 23:43:35
 
A few days ago Geno posted The Reiner Sound, to which I had not listened in a long time. So I spun up my CD, and then one of my demonstration discs from way back in the day, my Chesky RC11. This is the record I'd play to astound my friends with how good analog sounded in the digital age.



On LP

I haven't listened to LPs in a while, and I guess it is because even though they still sound good they are no longer worth all the work compared to digital. Also I found I've become considerably less forgiving of pops and clicks than I was back in the day. YMMV.

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Reply #759 - 01/06/25 at 22:01:36
 
I don't want to say that 1600 was actually a good time to be alive, but you had Shakespeare writing plays and Josquin des Prez composing some of the most magnificent choral polyphony ever written. So there were things to look forward to beyond plague and religious wars.



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Reply #760 - 01/07/25 at 23:35:03
 
Debussy's hauntingly beautiful Nocturnes in a hauntingly beautiful performance by Charles Dutoit and the Orchestre symphonique de Montréal.



On CD from the Dutoit/OSM box

Just as an aside, I think most folks on the Decware forums understand dynamic range, compression and the "loudness war" so I can say that these recordings have an exceptional dynamic range. Which of course means you have to crank up the volume to be able to hear the quiet parts at all and that makes the fortissimos very loud indeed. Which sounds thrilling on a quality system but I've seen a huge number of online comments specifically about these recordings (including from guys who claims to be recording engineers) say how bad the recording is because you are constantly needing to adjust the volume.
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Reply #761 - 01/10/25 at 21:10:10
 
Bohuslav Martinů wrote an enormous amount of music, and most of it is unrelentingly good natured. But WWII brought out a darker more agitated side of his art. For example Symphony no. 3.



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There are more an more recordings of Martinů showing up these days, but the Naxos symphony cycle for the turn of the century is as good gets in this reporters opinion.
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Reply #762 - 01/12/25 at 17:33:47
 
Brahms and Schumann from the Ivan Moravec box set.



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My favorite pianist.
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Reply #763 - 01/12/25 at 19:44:14
 
Is there are transitive property for musicians? Ivan Moravec's favorite pianist, or at least the one he said was most influential, was Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli. He was a complicated person and performer, but he is also one my favorites.



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He didn't record much, but his recordings are all beautifully played.
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Reply #764 - 01/13/25 at 04:36:06
 
Been listening to some Bartok orchestral music to start the new year.  

First up is the "Concerto for Orchestra" and "The Miraculous Mandarin" conducted by Eugene Ormandy conducting the Philadelphia Orchestra from 1962 and 1963.



The "plot" behind the Miraculous Mandarin seems pretty wild, and not the kind of topic that likely inspired music in earlier classical music eras - "Three pimps force a girl to entice men up to her room from the street; no sooner have they entered than they are robbed and thrown out again."

Followed by "Bartok - Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta" with Herbert Von Karajan conducting the Berliner Philharmonkier in 1962.



Liked this one a lot.  It seems similar to the "Concerto for Orchestra," but also reminded me at times of Stravinsky's "Ebony Concerto," particularly the piano parts playing with the Orchestra.  

Hope everyone's New Year is off to a good start.
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Reply #765 - 01/13/25 at 20:35:24
 
Also starting to listen to "Bartok, The String Quartets" by the Juilliard Quartet from 1950 on Pearl - a rare (for me) classical recording that is mono.



I'm sure it will take me a while to get all the way through these, but have enjoyed the first quartet.  
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Reply #766 - 01/13/25 at 21:48:15
 
Like a lot of composers, Bartok needed side hustles because he couldn't make a living writing music. Since he was one of the great virtuoso pianists of the first half of the 20th century, along with Prokofiev and Rachmaninov, he played concerts and made recordings but mostly he was a piano professor at his alma mater, the Liszt Academy in Budapest. He wrote a good amount of piano music (about 8 CDs worth), some of it among the most impenetrably difficult ever written (for his concerts) and some for pedagogical purposes (some of it so simple I could play it) but all of it very interesting. Among my favorites are For Children, 80ish very short pieces, each based on a Hungarian or Slovak folk melody.



On CD.

If you are interested in piano music and are looking for something new I highly recommend Zoltan Kocsis' Compete Solo Piano Works.

I'll have something to say about the string quartets anon...


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Reply #767 - 01/14/25 at 02:56:52
 
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Also starting to listen to "Bartok, The String Quartets" by the Juilliard Quartet from 1950...


I was going to say something about the Juilliard Quartet's late '40s recordings of the Bartok Quartets, which was the first commercial recording of the cycle. But they also were early and eager proponents of the Schoenberg Quartets which are equally important, difficult and ultimately rewarding. And today I learned among the many many people, places and things lost in the LA fires was a "vast trove of Schoenberg's music."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/13/arts/music/arnold-schoenberg-scores-fire.html...



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Reply #768 - 01/16/25 at 04:21:12
 
Hello, James.  I had also read that the Juilliard Quartet were early champions of Bartok's quartets.  I think it will be a while before I am ready to listen to the Schoenberg quartets.

For me, all quartets seem challenging, but from the vantage of 2025, I think I am finding Bartok to feel less alien than I had expected.  My guess is that a lot of the innovations in this music (the quartets range from 1908 to 1939) have been incorporated into other music that I have been more exposed to (like movie music).  

Listening to the second Bartok string quartet this evening (a couple of times), and enjoying it.  
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Reply #769 - 01/16/25 at 15:44:56
 
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For me, all quartets seem challenging, but from the vantage of 2025, I think I am finding Bartok to feel less alien than I had expected...Listening to the second Bartok string quartet this evening (a couple of times), and enjoying it.


The first two Bartok quartets are very approachable. I find them dreamily expressionistic almost to the point of ambient, but if you listen carefully you can hear the Eastern European harmonies and rhythms in the background. It is the third and fourth where things get hairy. You get your Bartok Badgetm when you make friends with them .

For me I was listening to a little Wagner, the classic recording by George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra.



DSD rip from SACD.

These Columbia recordings have a reputation for mediocre sound, but this SACD remastering (from early in the SACD era, like 20 years ago) sounds really good.  
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Reply #770 - 01/17/25 at 02:14:05
 
The best Eroica I've ever heard:



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I've been very clear no. 3 is far from my favorite Beethoven symphony, but thanks to Franz Liszt and Leslie Howard I've found a performance that I really enjoy.
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Reply #771 - 01/17/25 at 09:46:25
 
This is a fantastic set, as I mentioned upstream a favorite to listen to of my Dad and I together. I need to dust it off and listen again soon.
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Reply #772 - 01/17/25 at 15:41:48
 
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This is a fantastic set...


I agree. I've lived with the Beethoven Symphonies since I was a teenager, and know them inside out. So in one sense the Liszt arrangements are a fresh new look at something I've known and loved for a (very) long time. But they certainly stand on their own merits as music and performance. Of course now I need another version to compare and contrast with Leslie Howard...

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Reply #773 - 01/17/25 at 21:01:57
 
Albeniz piano music that is also Albeniz guitar music.



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The BIS Complete Albeniz Piano Music is a great collection.
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Reply #774 - 01/20/25 at 15:07:46
 
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Reply #775 - 01/20/25 at 15:12:29
 
Chopin wrote some of the most popular music ever written, but my favorite Chopin work is relatively unknown: The Cello Sonata.



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I have a few recordings and they are all good, but Janos Starker is the best.
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Reply #776 - Yesterday at 04:32:55
 
Good call on Erik Satie Geno. I was enjoying some of his unique piano work myself. In addition to Je te veux other delightful pieces like Sonatine Bureaucratique and Heures séculaires et instantanées. The later apparently translates as Age-Old and Instantaneous Hours (I don't know enough French to order lunch safely so apologies to anyone who knows better). This is very different than the Gymnopédies for which Satie is (more or less) famous, but it is all delightful.



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Reply #777 - Today at 02:16:40
 
I've said before and I'll say again that Rachmaninov's masterpiece, along with The All Night Vigil, is the Choral Symphony The Bells. It is four movements reflecting four different bells: sleigh, wedding, alarm and funeral.



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