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Re: Classical Music Thread
Reply #800 - 02/05/25 at 15:36:51
 
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...Since this is a 2025 Qobuz release and it’s Live…..I had to give it a listen.


This looks like re-packaging from Lenny's 1980s DG Mahler cycle. All (AFAIK) of the recordings he made for DG in the last decades of his life were recorded live. That said those are amazing recordings.

One of the highlights of my concert going life was seeing Bernstein and the Vienna Philharmonic do Mahler 5. And the DG recording is spectacular. After the 1st I find the 5th is the most approachable of the Mahler symphonies, I'd call it more tightly constructed than the 2nd or 3rd and easier to assimilate than the later (and perhaps "greater") symphonies.



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P.S. It looks like the deluxe Bernstein/Mahler 16 LP box is available on Amazon for a cool 1200 bucks if you want to up your vinyl game a little .
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Reply #801 - 02/05/25 at 23:36:31
 
And speaking of batting around, we're back to Beethoven's 5th again.



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There are almost an unlimited number of performances, but I went with a relatively obscure one: Erich Leinsdorf's Boston Symphony performance from the mid-60s complete Beethoven symphony cycle on RCA. Fun fact: RCA recorded one of the first complete Beethoven symphony cycles with Arturo Toscanini, and even though they had both Fritz Reiner's Chicago Symphony and Charles Munch's Boston Symphony under contract, two of the great orchestras of the "golden age of stereo," it was Erich Leinsdorf who recorded the next complete Beethoven symphony cycle for the label. His fifth is one of the highlights, both dramatic and lyrical by turns and the corporate virtuosity of the BSO is on full display.

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Reply #802 - 02/05/25 at 23:52:23
 
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P.S. It looks like the deluxe Bernstein/Mahler 16 LP box is available on Amazon for a cool 1200 bucks if you want to up your vinyl game a little   .


Man… you weren’t kidding 😮 .  How I would love to own that box set.   Staying with Bernstein…I am streaming this one through Roon in Hi Res.


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Reply #803 - 02/07/25 at 14:59:39
 
A great way to spend a rainy day.



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Weird story but beautiful music. The music Strauss wrote for his operas is (just) a little more adventurous than what is in his purely orchestral music, and it is magnificent.
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Reply #804 - 02/07/25 at 18:35:12
 
Dvorak had a seemingly unlimited supply of beautiful music in his brain, and none of it was more beautiful than the Czech Suites or Prague Waltzes. And no one made better sounding records than Antal Dorati; even this early digital London CD sounds fantastic.



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Reply #805 - 02/08/25 at 04:07:35
 
Another great sounding Antal Dorati recording. Actually, one of the great recordings of all time: legendary performance of fantastic music in world class sound.



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The Starker/Mercury/Dvorak Concerto is on everyone's (mine included) short list of the best recordings of anything ever, but to do it justice your system really needs to swing the entire dynamic range of a symphony orchestra. From whisper quiet to blow the roof climaxes, you've been warned.


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Reply #806 - 02/08/25 at 17:18:59
 
Mendelssohn wrote 6 string quartets, but after he died an intrepid publisher put together 4 short pieces he wrote for string quartet throughout his life and published it as his "7th quartet." These days it is more properly called 4 Pieces for String Quartet and is rarely recorded, but fortunately it is included in the Mandelring Quartet's collection of Mendelssohn's chamber music for strings.



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Reply #807 - 02/10/25 at 21:57:54
 
More Bernstein/Mahler, his digital 1980s DG 7th with the New York Phil.



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This might be even better than his earlier CBS recording. Every weird, spooky detail is played to the hilt and the music sounds more "modern" (in a good way) than it actually is.
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Reply #808 - 02/12/25 at 15:53:18
 
A classic in every sense: Schubert, Charles Munch and the Boston Symphony in RCA Living Stereo sound.



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Reply #809 - 02/13/25 at 17:44:59
 
Generally I don't have a lot of good things so called "Historically Informed Performances" but I don't hate all of them. The movement has grown up a lot in the last 40 years: when it first became a thing it seemed like mostly it was a race to see how could play a piece the fastest and with the weirdest sounding instruments. Now there are plenty of excellent sounding, well played and perfectly worthwhile HIP recordings out there that provide an interesting contrast to the "old school" performances that I generally prefer. Case in point Phillipe Herreweghe's Bach B Minor Mass on the Phi label. It is quicker and more transparent than my favorite B Minor, by Jochum, but well played, very well sung and certainly worth a listen.



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Reply #810 - 02/14/25 at 18:41:25
 
Off the beaten path. Wind music of Samuel Barber and Carl Nielsen. Modern but not unpleasant and very interesting tonally.



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Reply #811 - 02/15/25 at 15:49:00
 
I had a bit set up for the Coltrane Ballads disc Lon posted, but he deleted it . Here goes anyway.

Coltrane Ballads is one of the most beautiful recordings I know. As is Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli playing Chopin's Ballade No. 1.



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Reply #812 - 02/15/25 at 17:17:25
 
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Reply #813 - 02/15/25 at 18:33:41
 

CA, many thanks for continually raving about Dvorak. I have delved deeper into his music, and love what I’m discovering!


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Reply #814 - 02/16/25 at 20:39:05
 
I have many recordings of the Beethoven String Quartets, and they are all really good. I think my favorite one is the last one I've listened to, but the Cleveland Quartet on Telarc would probably be the one I'd take to the mythical desert island. They play with all the corporate virtuosity of e.g. The Juilliard or Emerson but with a little more emotional range and the sound is as good as a string quartet has ever sounded to these ears. Either live or in my listening room.



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Reply #815 - 02/16/25 at 21:45:15
 
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CA, many thanks for continually raving about Dvorak. I have delved deeper into his music, and love what I’m discovering!


Right on! I saw your post yesterday but it wouldn't actually load in my browser until just now. Dvorak is just awesome, I'm glad you're digging it.

Unusual for a composer, Dvorak was a viola player and not much of pianist. The piano music he wrote is great (like everything) but he was really at home writing for strings. His string chamber music and the cello concerto are justifiably famous, but his violin concerto is (almost) equally as great and doesn't get nearly the respect it deserves.



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Josef Suk more or less owned the Dvorak Violin Concerto and he came by it more or less honestly. His grandfather was the composer Josef Suk who was also Dvorak's son-in-law.

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Reply #816 - 02/17/25 at 17:03:29
 
Dvorak is like potato chips, you can’t listen to just one.



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Pretty much everything the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra plays turns to gold, so when they play some of the most relentlessly delightful music ever written it is pretty special.
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Reply #817 - 02/17/25 at 17:20:20
 

Playing this when you posted.

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Reply #818 - 02/17/25 at 18:44:12
 


I have a lot of recordings of the Dvorak Wind Serenades, but I don't recall ever seeing that one because if I did I would have bought it.

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Reply #819 - 02/18/25 at 05:32:51
 
I'm finishing up (for now) on the Bartok Quartets.  I liked all of them - while they are more challenging than a lot of what I listen to, they are rewarding!



As you suggested, James, the first two quartets seem like the easiest entry point, and starting with the third quartet it took more time for this music to make sense to me.  What I found particularly helpful was to watch live performances of these quartets on YouTube.  Seeing the performances, and who is playing what, makes the music clearer to me (that is not the case for me for orchestral music, where the visual cues don't seem so helpful).  

I particularly liked the strong rhythmic content of the music, and all the "textures" (hope that's the right word) created by the four instruments.  Glad I spent some time with this music.
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Reply #820 - 02/18/25 at 15:25:07
 
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I'm finishing up (for now) on the Bartok Quartets.  I liked all of them - while they are more challenging than a lot of what I listen to, they are rewarding!


That's awesome! It took me 30something years to make friends with the Bartok Quartets. As you say they are challenging but ultimately reward the effort you put in to understand them. I have a few different recordings of the Bartok Quartets, and the ones I reach for most often are the early Juilliard that you have, the New Hungarian Quartet that really plays up the folk music aspect of the pieces, and probably my favorite, the Emerson Quartet.



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It is hard for me to put a finger on what exactly they do so well (besides everything) but they really make the rhythm and texture of the music come alive.
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Reply #821 - 02/19/25 at 16:36:38
 
At one point in my life I felt like it was important to listen to all 200+ cantatas that Bach wrote. But I quickly realized life is much too short for that. But there are some bits that are among my favorite music Bach, or anyone, ever wrote. And that would be the opening choruses of his "Reformation Cantatas" BWV 79 and 80.

Bach was a devout Lutheran and for whatever reason Reformation Day (the anniversary of Martin Luther nailing his 95 Theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg) coaxed the most exciting music he ever composed from him. And exciting is not an adjective one usually associates with Bach.



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There is a tendency in the "historically informed" movement to underplay the brass parts, which is a mistake but no doubt makes them cheaper to record and perform. But these performances do a fairly good job of blowing the roof off the joint.
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Reply #822 - 02/20/25 at 06:30:34
 
The process was a bit quicker than 30 years for me, though the Bartok quartets were most of what I listened to this last month.  Also, I don't claim to have a deep understanding of them - I think I may be the golden retriever of classical music listeners, and am not always too discriminating in the friends I make!



Shifting over to Debussy now, and starting with "La Mer" from the "Complete Orchestral Works" box, with Jun Markl conducting the Orchestre National de Lyon.    



La Mer is now a favorite of mine, but it took me a long time to like it - I think it may have been because it does not seem to have a clear-cut structure like earlier classical music had, and for me that may mean that I need to have more familiarity from listening to the music to understand it.  Next up is the Debussy string quartet in G minor.
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Reply #823 - 02/20/25 at 14:23:13
 

I’m really trying hard to understand Bartok. So far, the only things I (kind of) like, are the selections on this. However, there has been a lot of music over the years, that I have not cared for at first, but came to like or even love. So I have learned to give music a good chance.


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Reply #824 - 02/20/25 at 15:19:37
 

I downloaded this from YouTube. It sounds spectacular!

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Reply #825 - 02/20/25 at 19:26:40
 
For a composer considered one of the giants of 20th century music Bartok didn't actually write a lot of stuff. In his defense he had a lot going on: he was a touring concert pianist, professor at the Liszt Academy in Budapest and spent a bunch of time wandering around Eastern Europe and North Africa (at least) listening to and recording folk music while more or less inventing ethnomusicology. Most of the music he did write was for piano, either for his own concerts or for pedagogical purposes. But that is for another post.

I don't think there is much debate that his masterpieces are the string quartets, the Concerto for Orchestra and Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. The later two pieces are among the last to enter the standard repertoire. When I'm in the right mood I enjoy his expressionistic opera, Bluebeards Castle, but I'd be tempted to say the most "user friendly" of his remaining (orchestral) music is the 3rd Piano Concerto (the first two are pretty thorny, but rewarding like most of his music).



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It seems a little provincial to say Hungarians own Bartok's music, and it isn't exactly true, but if you want to hear the Bartok Concertos you can't do better than Anda and Fricsay who happen to both be Hungarian.
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Reply #826 - 02/21/25 at 06:04:01
 
Hi, Geno.  I too have come "to like or even love" some music that I did not like at first.  But for me, if some music does not do anything for me on the first listen, then I have a hard time spending much more time on it.  If it is notable for some reason (like "this is the finest composition of this famous composer") then I may listen several more times.  But I usually need to hear something that at least piques my interest to keep working on it.  

It can sometimes be a number of years before I return to works that did not "click" for me before - because I think sometimes I just need to hear more different things before I am ready to really hear some music (I think I just was not ready to understand "La Mer" the first time I heard it).  There is too much interesting music in this world to spend too much time on music that just does not move you.  

As I write this I am listening to the overture for "Fidelio" by Beethoven (essentially a "throw in" on a CD that is part of a collection of his symphonies)- seems pretty straight-forward compared to Bartok!  But I have never been an opera fan and have not gotten the "itch" to visit the Fidelio opera.  

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Reply #827 - 02/21/25 at 15:02:37
 
Bruckner's 9th is the other great unfinished symphony. And it is very great indeed. There are two ways to play it, one is dramatic, leaning toward demonic. The other is majestic leaning toward prayerful. Either can be very effective, and Carlo Maria Guilini's recording with the Vienna Philharmonic is certainly in the latter camp.



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This is a mesmerizing performance, but you have to turn up the volume because the beauty is very much in the quiet details, as well as the shattering climaxes and the dynamic range of this recording is huge.
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Reply #828 - 02/21/25 at 15:25:33
 
So Beethoven is my guy. From his earliest piano music to his last string quartets he has been a big part of my musical life for forever. But there is one of his greatest works I just can't figure out: Fidelio. It is my White Whale. It was also Beethoven's, he struggled with it more than anything else wrote. One clue is he wrote 4 overtures for the thing, Leonores 1 thru 3 and Fidelio itself. And they are some of my favorite music of all time.



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Klaus Tennstedt's Beethoven Overtures was one of the CDs I picked up on the way home from buying my first CD player, almost exactly 40 years ago. I recall wanting Beethoven's 7th, but there either weren't any, or none that seemed worthwhile at the time so I went with the overtures, which never disappoint.
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Reply #829 - 02/22/25 at 16:43:36
 

Stuck on Dvorak…

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Reply #830 - 02/22/25 at 22:50:08
 
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Stuck on Dvorak…


You could do worse...

Dvorak wrote way too much great music for me to pick a favorite, but high up on the short list is Cypresses for String Quartet.



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Boy meets girl and falls in love. Boy writes a collection of love songs for girl. Girl just isn't that into boy so boy marries her sister and publishes the songs in arrangement for string quartet. And, you can't beat The Panocha Quartet for Dvorak, or pretty much anything else they play.
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Reply #831 - 02/23/25 at 17:42:37
 
Like the Beethoven String Quartets I have a bunch of recordings of the Beethoven Piano Sonatas, and my "favorite" is usually the last one to which I've listened. But Craig Sheppard's version is always near the top of the list. It is a much more old fashioned, romantic interpretation than is the norm these days. And the sound, for a live recording, is excellent.



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Reply #832 - 02/24/25 at 20:24:30
 
I've been on a bit of the Bruckner 9 bender the last few days. Stanisaw Skrowaczewski's B9 is definitely in the "more intense" camp of interpretation and Saarbrucken Radio Symphony sounds like the Berlin Philharmonic in this recording. Which points out something I've though for a long time: there are way more talented, accomplished musicians out there then there are talented, accomplished conductors who are able to get them to play something interesting.



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Reply #833 - 02/26/25 at 15:08:44
 
Most of J.S. Bach's music is very serious, sometimes oppressively serious. And while it can certainly be beautiful and very moving it is rarely what I'd call fun. But the Flute Sonatas played by Andrea Oliva and Angela Hewitt are both beautiful and fun, I guess because it is hard to call anything played on the flute "oppressive."



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Reply #834 - 02/27/25 at 14:49:52
 
One more Bruckner 9, Celibidache.



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Reply #835 - 03/01/25 at 04:13:07
 
The Alban Berg Quartet fancies itself as the Viennese String Quartet. And there is no more Viennese composer than Franz Schubert, who spent virtually every day of his (tragically short) life in or around Vienna. So it should be no surprise that the ABQ's early digital recording of Schubert's transcendent C major String Quintet is fantastic.



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Reply #836 - 03/01/25 at 15:34:59
 

I got this in the mail last week. ‘64 release. Still sealed. Exciting to open something that is over 60 years old.

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Reply #837 - 03/02/25 at 16:21:20
 
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I got this in the mail last week. ‘64 release. Still sealed. Exciting to open something that is over 60 years old.


So what are you waiting for?

That is a very late Mercury recording that I don't think I've ever seen (or heard about) in any form. Curious what you think of it.
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Reply #838 - 03/03/25 at 04:03:38
 
Mozart's "late" piano concertos, Nos. 20 - 27 are considered his great piano concertos. And that isn't wrong, they set new standards for emotional and dramatic range. So it would sound like a backhanded compliment to call his middle concertos, Nos. 14-19 "really good" by comparison. But they are really good, and so puppy dog friendly it is hard to imagine not liking them.



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Reply #839 - 03/03/25 at 21:04:48
 
The Boston Symphony is, or at least was, well known as the Great American French Orchestra. So Paul Paray's Detroit Symphony would have been The Other Great American French Orchestra. And they are every bit of that in this collection of music a la francaise in great Living Presence sound.



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Reply #840 - 03/04/25 at 20:05:57
 
"Modern" music that isn't necessarily modern at all. Bartok and Kodaly made the point that while their music is modern in the sense that it is new and novel, technically it is very different from the modern music of e.g. the Third Viennese School. It is inspired by Hungarian and Romanian folk music and technically that music is closely related to the old church modes used for Gregorian Chants.



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Reply #841 - 03/06/25 at 16:06:11
 
Violin is not my favorite instrument. So, while there is a lot of violin music I appreciate and listen to, there is not a lot of it I really like. But near the top of that short list is the Sibelius Violin Concerto.



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Reply #842 - 03/07/25 at 03:26:40
 
More Sibelius. Herbert von Karajan is a great Sibelius conductor. And his collection of the later Sibelius Symphonies with the Berlin Philharmonic is as good an example of that excellence as any.



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Reply #843 - 03/07/25 at 18:55:15
 

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Reply #844 - Yesterday at 23:34:14
 
Listening to Schoenberg's "Velklarte Nacht" from the box set "Pierre Boulez conducts Schoenberg:"



The box set includes two versions of this work.  One is the original version for string sextet, played by the Ensemble intercontemporain in 1983 (though I thought these types of small string ensembles typically are not "conducted").  The other is the later version written in 1943 for a string orchestra, performed by the New York Philharmonic in 1973.

I like both versions, but think I prefer the sextet version.  I often like orchestral music more than small ensembles, in part because the different timbres of the different instruments help me understand the different parts.
But in this case, I think the sextet version is more direct, and clearer to me than the "string orchestra" version.

While Schoenberg seems to be particularly noted for "12-tone" approach, Verklarte is more in the tradition of the "romantic period."  I am "warming up" to listen to Schoenberg's "Variations for Orchestra" which is a 12-tone composition!
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Reply #845 - Today at 02:23:23
 
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...While Schoenberg seems to be particularly noted for "12-tone" approach, Verklarte is more in the tradition of the "romantic period."  I am "warming up" to listen to Schoenberg's "Variations for Orchestra" which is a 12-tone composition!


Schoenberg is an interesting case. After he wrote some nice late romantic music like Verklarte Nacht he felt like traditional tonal music was played out and tried to save it by writing ever more elaborately complex atonal music that culminated in his 12-tone approach. Which, long story short, never really caught on. What actually "saved" music were the ideas of composures like Stravinsky, Prokofiev and Bartok, but that is for another post. I've come to appreciate Schoenberg and the rest of the so called Second Viennese School and while it isn't my favorite thing on the menu I will order it from time to time. Probably my favorite disc, and one that is on most everyone's short list for Great Recordings of all Timetm is Antal Dorati's on Mercury



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Besides demonstration quality sound the thing that makes the disc so enjoyable is the individual pieces are only a few minutes long and easily digestible in spite of the difficult harmonic language.
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