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Reply #850 - 03/23/25 at 15:44:55
 
"Toccata" seems like a highfalutin musical word, but I had never seen an actual definition of it. So I looked it up in my Oxford Musical Dictionary, and it turns out it isn't highfalutin at all. It is basically a very early term for what became a "Prelude." Which could be pretty much anything, but usually a short piece that isn't specifically a dance. Bach wrote a bunch of toccatas, most famously toccatas and fugues for the organ. But he also wrote a series of keyboard toccatas that are not as well known as they should be.



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Like all the Bach that Glenn Gould plays his recordings of the toccatas are both interesting and wonderful.
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Reply #851 - 03/24/25 at 16:26:25
 
Currently enjoying this album while at work from Narcisco Yepes streaming in Qobuz through my Dragonfly Red.  Beautiful Classical Spanish guitarist that I recently started to enjoy.



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Reply #852 - 03/24/25 at 16:30:03
 
New page and we are at Beethoven's 6th, aka The Pastoral. Inspired by Beethoven's walks in the woods outside Vienna, I went with Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt and Vienna Philharmonic from the late 60s.



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This is an outstanding collection of prime Vienna Phil: after they recovered from the war but before they lost the "Vienna Sound" and became just another virtuoso orchestra.
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Reply #853 - 03/24/25 at 23:19:30
 
It was said that "no one was more popular in life and more quickly forgotten after death" than Alexander Scriabin. And if he is not quite forgotten today it is fair to say he is on the fringe of the classical music world. Which is a shame because his music, which I'd call a mash-up of Liszt and Rachmaninov, is unique and very interesting.



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Reply #854 - 03/28/25 at 16:40:31
 
One of my desert island discs:



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There are a lot of (interesting) ways to interpret what a lot of people think is the cornerstone of Western Art Music. I'd venture The Well Tempered Clavier is perhaps more open to interpretation than any other piece I know. Fredrich Gulda does two things, first is that while he plays on a modern concert grand piano, he plays the different preludes and fugues in the style of one of the 3 keyboard instruments Bach knew: the harpsichord, clavier and pipe organ.

And he doubles down on the mathematical elegance of the composition. I'd call this interpretation "Bach, all Bach and nothing but Bach." The only "emotion" in this performance in the emotion Bach wrote into the perfection of the notes, and it is magnificent.
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Reply #855 - 03/29/25 at 15:24:02
 
I listen to a lot of Sibelius, and as a complete cycle of symphonies 1 thru 7 Paavo Berglund's recordings with the Bournmouth Symphony is one of the best I know.



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I was enjoying "Sibelius' Eroica," his Symphony no. 5.
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Reply #856 - 03/30/25 at 15:17:20
 
Orlande de Lassus aka Roland de Lassus was one of the absolute high water marks of Renaissance polyphonic choral writing. And this recording of his Cantiones Sacrae by Philippe Herreweghe and the Collegium Vocale Gent is one of the absolute high water marks Renaissance polyphonic singing. The sound and the singing is just magical.



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Reply #857 - 03/30/25 at 17:23:35
 
At about the same time Leonard Bernstein was making his indispensable recordings of the Haydn Masses in New York George Guest was recording them at Saint John's College Cambridge. Where Lenny's recordings were dramatic and passionate, Guest leaned more towards classical elegance and beauty. And he was ably abetted by the acoustics of St. John's and Argo/Decca's engineering. Like everything else in the Guest/Argo box.



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Reply #858 - 03/31/25 at 15:33:05
 
Richard Strauss' ethereal Metamorphosen for 23 solo strings.



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Reply #859 - 03/31/25 at 22:47:17
 
Roberto Szidon burst on the scene and then disappeared at about the same time and circumstances as baseball fans of a certain age may remember Mark "the Bird" Fidrych. He didn't record much, but his performance of Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsodies are in my Hall of Fame. They have all the virtuosic dexterity one could ask for and are, if not exactly profound, at least profoundly musical, which is not how these Mt. Everests of technical show-offsmanship typically are presented.



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They are part of DGs Liszt Collection, which is a great way to get a lot of great Liszt.
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Reply #860 - 04/01/25 at 04:43:08
 
I am finishing up my brief revisit to the Baroque period with J.S. Bach's "Brandenburg Concertos" performed by The English Concert/Trevor Pinnock:



While I have listened to baroque music before, this may be the most concentrated focus I've given to different composers from this era, where (at least for me) the "family resemblance" of baroque music by different composers seems clearer to me.  It has also been interesting to listen to this music (where the structure and tonal "center" of the music seem well-defined), after listening to some of Shoenberg's atonal music using the 12-tone composition techniques.  

I think I may give another listen to Schoenberg now, having "reset" my ears to strongly tonal music, to see if it helps me to begin to understand what the 12-tone system is about (along with looking at some YouTube videos that discuss 12-tone music and its history).  
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Reply #861 - 04/01/25 at 15:37:40
 
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Posted by: Tone-Deaf      Posted on: Yesterday at 20:43:08

...I think I may give another listen to Schoenberg now, having "reset" my ears to strongly tonal music, to see if it helps me to begin to understand what the 12-tone system is about (along with looking at some YouTube videos that discuss 12-tone music and its history)...


Good luck with that. Considering your success with the Bartok string quartets you might consider Schoenberg's 4 string quartets and a good starting place. The first quartet is technically tonal, written in d minor, but it is hard to tell because it sounds pretty atonal/expressionistic to me. Kinda like Bartok with a German accent.  It is also like 45 minutes long so it is a lot to digest. The second is probably my favorite, very expressionistic (but not 12 tone) with a soprano soloist. The third is one of his first true 12 tone compositions and the fourth is 12 tone as well.

These are not my favorite thing on the menu but I will order them from time to time. I have a few different recordings, but generally I reach for the young Juilliard Quartet from their mono box.



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Reply #862 - 04/01/25 at 20:17:41
 
When I comes to the Second Viennese School I prefer the students to the teacher. I prefer the music of Alban Berg and Anton Webern to Schoenberg. And the LaSalle Quartet box is a great way to get all of their quartets, plus those of Alexander Zemlinsky.



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Reply #863 - 04/03/25 at 02:16:18
 
Regardless of the craziness in my life and/or the outside world I can always count on Vaughan Williams 3rd Symphony, the Pastoral, to lower my blood pressure 10-15 points.



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Reply #864 - 04/03/25 at 14:57:10
 
I am a huge fan of both Leonard Bernstein and Tchaikovsky's 5th Symphony. So I was first in line to get Bernstein's digital Tchaik 5 when it came out 30something years ago. I listened to it a couple of times and then put it away because, as I remember, it just sounded bad. So imagine my surprise when I spun the disc up decades later on my current system and found it actually sounds pretty good. It isn't going to be a demo disc but now I can hear a bunch of the details of the performance that I couldn't (or didn't) back in the 90's. And it is quite a performance: my dad liked to say Tchaikovsky's 5th was a 45 minute finale, and no one whips up a finale like Lenny.



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Reply #865 - 04/03/25 at 16:30:12
 
Think me and Sting can recommend my brother in-laws recordings of the Goldberg variations  :D



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Reply #866 - 04/03/25 at 19:10:05
 
Sting and my friend from the University of Chicago Norman look so much alike. . . .

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Reply #867 - 04/04/25 at 01:42:42
 
Have often wondered about that similarity too....
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Reply #868 - 04/04/25 at 03:23:37
 
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Reply #869 - 04/04/25 at 15:46:01
 
Beethoven's Missa Solemnis is one of my desert island compositions, and Otto Klemperer's recording from the 60s is considered one of the classic recordings. But I never got the performance until now. I don't know if I just needed to hear it one more time, or because my system is sounding so good or something else but it finally clicked, and it is truly great.



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Reply #870 - 04/04/25 at 22:26:33
 
The German Austrian Musical Criticism Complex, GAMCCtm, would have you believe composers like Chabrier and Roussel are too much fun to be taken seriously. And they are half right: they are a lot of fun. But they absolutely should be taken seriously as well, on their own terms. As a contrast, not a competitor to Brahms.



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Paul Paray and the Detroit Symphony are hard to beat in this music, as is the Mercury Living Presence sound.
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Reply #871 - 04/05/25 at 15:16:50
 
Bach wrote two Passions which, for him, were essentially operas. The Saint Matthew Passion is the best know and frequently mentioned in conversations about the "greatest" work ever written. But I like his other one, the Saint John, better. It is shorter and a bit more dramatic. Esp. the way Eugen Jochum plays it in his very much not historically informed recording from the mid-60s.



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Reply #873 - 04/06/25 at 16:20:06
 
That Richter LP is very interesting Geno. I don't own it but I've seen around, a lot. And I never suspected it was recorded on 35mm film, apparently by the Mercury crew. I bet it sounds really good.

I do have the Byron Janis Liszt Piano Concertos that were recorded by Mercury on 35mm film, in Moscow. And it is great, both sound-wise and preformance-wise.



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Reply #874 - Yesterday at 00:04:25
 
Listened to some more Schoenberg 12-tone compositions: "Accompaniment to a Film Scene" (through it was not used for a film), and "Variations for Orchestra" , performed by the BBC Symphony Orchestra conducted by Peirre Boulez.



I have not made friends with Schoenberg's music yet (as CAJames warned me might occur!).  I watched some YouTube videos about 12-tone music and found it interesting (though I know little about music theory).  I can kind of see the relationship between math and music in the concept, where the 12-Tone technique does seem to be designed to help a composer avoid "drifting" into tonal music, and as an intellectual exercise it seems interesting.  However, that knowledge did not help me to connect with this music.

I am reminded of Geno's observation that Bartok does not work for him, though he has given it several chances.  I think I am going to follow my suggestion to him, that if the music does not connect with you then it may not be worth too much of your time (at least for the immediate future).  This is (of course) a personal view, and others may well have an appreciation of the music that I do not have (at least as yet).  

I am also thinking about Geno's comment, that there is plenty of music that I initially did not like, and then over time learned to love - I may come to a different view if I revisit Schoenberg in the future.  
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Reply #875 - Yesterday at 01:38:41
 
I don't blame you at all for taking a break from Schoenberg, at least 12-tone Schoenberg. But, before you do I encourage you to give a listen to his 5 Pieces for Orchestra, Op. 16 which I assume is in the box. They are not 12-tone compositions, but they are fully atonal and caused quite a sensation when they were first performed.

I have pimped this disc before, it is my goto for this music, but I'm sure Boulez does it very well too. I like them much more than any of Schoenberg's actual 12-tone music.



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Looking back over the last century plus of music history I think it is fair to say the 5 Pieces have a much more lasting influence than 12-tone music, which was pretty much a dead end.

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Reply #876 - Yesterday at 05:01:36
 
Anyone able to endure Schoenberg and like composers has something I will never have. Is it mental acuity?  Is it musical maturity?  Is it grit?  Whatever it is, I don't get it.  I feel depressed, irritated, dispirited, empty, oppressed (as by evil), angry, upset, and unsettled when I listen to this stuff.  I sense rebellion and hate toward what is good and beautiful in this stuff.  I can't even bring myself to call it music.

Give me Bach, Handel, Corelli, Haydn, Schubert, Beethoven, the Schumanns, the Mendelssohns, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, and many others from this 250 year stretch.  I want to experience beauty, joy, goodness, peace, unity, harmony, order, and love when I listen to music.  There is some twentieth century music that meets these standards but the options are far more limited.

That's where I am, but of course, to each his own!  Happy listening!



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Reply #877 - Yesterday at 18:25:33
 
How about 20th century music that sounds like it could have been written 500 years ago.



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The All Night Vigil aka Vespers is Rachmaninoff's homage to the centuries old tradition of Russian Orthodox church music. And it is some of the most beautiful music I know. I have several recordings, most from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union but the Robert Shaw Singers, and Telarc's engineers, are as good as any and better than most.
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Reply #878 - Yesterday at 22:31:55
 
Couldn't agree with you more, CAJames.  
One of many Rachmaninoff works I marvel at.  
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