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My Audio Journey Evolution, The Final Stage. (Read 14503 times)
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Re: My Audio Journey Evolution, The Final Stage.
Reply #200 - 10/16/24 at 19:01:57
 

I'll be very interested in hearing what JB has to say about his experience when he has time to gather his thoughts and elaborate. Very generous of you to offer that opportunity RP.

Yes, and I knew you would be very curious to see how this all went. It is a shame that you don't live close enough to experience your own evaluation of my audio room. It would be nice if you were able to do that.

From my stand point, things went very well and it was a great day. JB is a very knowledgeable person, and most certainly on a very high level of understanding when it comes to audio and room acoustics. He is a great guy to know, and someone that you can trust to give advice. A good friend to say the least.

As for what he might say about this event, time will tell. I don't know that he will say anything, although I have a feeling that he has plenty to say about his experience. So that is up to him. I think he needs a couple of days to get his thoughts together and make sense of it all. I do welcome him to offer his thoughts about his experience, so you shall just have to wait and see.

I will get the return privilege of experiencing his audio room next spring. That should be interesting as well. I will say from my perspective, there was a great deal of thought going on inside of his head. It will be interesting to get his viewpoint.


Keep that dream alive my friend!

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Reply #201 - 10/18/24 at 13:12:48
 
Well RPS you pulled it off! I mean like Burger King's impossible burger your space does not warrant what was heard in the 12 hour session spent with you on Tuesday. Like the sweet beef undertones missing in that burger, even with my eyes closed, my senses could not escape the confines of the room. Small room small stage - mere physics that can not be eliminated. However, you recently added a piece of equipment that makes your room complete and defies physics.

I totally enjoyed my visit with you. Another time warp that was very hard and pressed to end. We will continue in time. I feel like your a brother from another mother now. The food was good, conversation rich, and atmosphere becoming. Thank you all.

The speakers you designed are with no doubt the best 2 way implemented set that crossed my ears. Bass is well defined and tactical. Mids play well with the lows and highs - vocals are crisp with emotional attachment. Highs are sublime with delicacy.

Feeding the 2way gems is nothing special like the 12 gauge OFC, Torii 3 with stock tubes, microphone cable ICs with one way shields, basic Brown Burr DAC, and a Tascam transport. The music heard did not show, by any means, any degradation with this setup.

Your admission of how terrible and unsustainable those 2 ways was in the room before any treatment has been cured. The 12 hour session we completed on Tuesday is proof of that. Your listen db level is a bit higher than mine and I thank you for doing a slight adjustment for my pleasure. But I think it was your need to impress that got you to turn up the volume at the onset. The sound was the same but eliminated the chance of fatigue when lowered a bit.

We listened a couple enjoyable hours with your new blast from the past piece bypassed. The only negative was Ozy's CD seemed a bit edgy at times but had great special effects. I think it had to be the mastering causing it because it was only noticeable on that disk. Then you initiated the C-9! Woweee! The hugh sound stage was not meant to be in your space. It grew by leaps and bounds. Vocals became very intimate in presence. There was zero artifacts. The performance became live. The new experience was like headphones without the cans and gave tactical body resonance! Something that tires me quickly when using headphones, that is my ears get some good vibes but the rest of my organs do not.

RPS, the only negative to me when it came to tactical experience was the dual 12" push and pull setup behind the listening chair. The timing was off a bit that distracted from the main speakers at times. This is surely caused by the direct connection with the Torii speaker outputs. A time delay would help this. It kind of reminded me of when I had transducers installed in the home theater couch which gave a sense of vibration without aligned impact.

I could go on and on about the music but will pin it down to one CD that everyone is familiar with, Pink Floyd's "Dark side of the Moon" Played to death but a well done work using "Q". The C-9 is a phasing tool that eliminates crosstalk between our ears. Yup that space between our ears is wide enough that causes our sense of hearing confusion when we hear music in stereo. RPG's C-9 is 45 years old and works like a new item. There is no signs of bypass interference to the signal and what I am about to describe works as intended.

The second act(track) "On the Run" starts with Q(time delay sceme used in many recordings that places sound in space at various locations using the space between your ears and two speakers as leverage) within 3 seconds of track start. I've always heard the mechanical sound created after 3 seconds in that track as an oblong sound circulation. With the C-9 it made its rounds perfectly around the circumference of my head. It was a hat of moving sound. Outstanding!

Then I asked you to bypass the C-9 after 6 or so hours and this was rather revealing of the unit's capabilities. Vocals became somewhat subdued. Loss of vibrancy was evident. Just to recall that I spent a couple onset satisfying hours listening with this unit bypassed is telling in itself. One does not know until it is placed at earshot side by side(A-B).

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Reply #202 - 10/21/24 at 02:07:34
 
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts with us JB. Glad you got the chance to have some fun and venture deep into a unique musical experience as well as share some comradery. Pretty cool that you'll be offering the same courtesy of a listening session to RP. It's nice that you'll both have a perspective into each other's listening environments.

Looks like the session sounded great, albeit initially the smaller space made it difficult to perceive a very wide soundstage. However, I'm sure the extensive room treatments made it sound as good as it possibly could be. My room is on the smaller side as well (actually almost the same as RP's but with a 10' ceiling instead of approx. 8') and I know how challenging it can be.

I thought RP's custom speakers looked phenomenal and glad you confirmed they sound just as amazing as I imagined. The build is second to none. Glad the sound is as well.

You mentioned that once the C-9 was engaged, the room took on a whole new dimension. Besides the room treatments, the C-9 sounds just like what the doctor ordered for a room on the smaller side. From what I've read about the unit I expected nothing less but I'm sure each room can help or hinder the effectiveness of such a component. Glad you found it to be an exciting and worthwhile addition!

Thanks again for the perspective JB, and congratulations RP on a great system and listening environment.
Cheers to you guys and many more great listening sessions.
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Reply #203 - 10/21/24 at 12:38:21
 
mrchipster,
It is a wonderful when meeting another individual that goes thru similar struggles and tackles those challenges in a similar fashion. RPS did very well in tackling his small room. Turning it into a true sanctuary - a place to regenerate ones drive. I can see where some refinement will be done. Not in the sound but in workability of daily use like a simple thing of making the light switch easier to access, etc.

What puzzled me was the fact that I listened 2 or so hours before the C-9 was activated. It sat there idle in bypass mode. The sound already very impressive. When it was switched in, the sound stage widened a bit. The result was too wide creating a hole in the middle. I mentioned that to Paul and then he switched it to narrow from wide mode and wala it tighten up and the walls disappeared! Other then the two modes mention of the C-9 there is a theatrical mode that adds some echo. The echo seemed gimmicky and was not desired.
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Re: My Audio Journey Evolution, The Final Stage.
Reply #204 - 10/21/24 at 16:15:18
 

I was not sure what "C-9" referred, and found this:

"A C-9 in audio refers to a specific type of microphone preamplifier.

It's a vintage piece of equipment, known for its warm, rich, and often slightly distorted sound. The "C" likely stands for "console," as it was originally designed for use in large studio consoles. The number "9" is a model designation"

Is that correct?
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Re: My Audio Journey Evolution, The Final Stage.
Reply #205 - 10/21/24 at 16:18:41
 
Tony, in this case I believe the Carver C-9 Sonic Holograph Generator is what was referenced.

https://www.highfidelityreview.com/carver-c9.html
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