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Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
11/11/24 at 16:34:14
 
I recently purchased a Sophia Electric Aqua II 274B Rectifier Tube for my SE84UFO25. I think it sounds fantastic; however, it has started ringing (the tube itself). At first, it only rang for a few minutes, but the ringing time has increased over the past few days to the point where it rang for my entire listening session last night. I contacted Sophia Electric, who informed me that this is called heat expansion and is typical for new tubes. Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so, how long did the ringing last?

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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #1 - 11/11/24 at 18:43:21
 
I've had issues with my Aqua II rectifiers, but not that one. If it is indeed a normal thing. . . that shouldn't last long. But as I have had several and have not had that issue. . . it makes me think that it is not a normal thing if it persists. I'd ask Sue if she would allow you to return it for assessment and replacement.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #2 - 11/11/24 at 19:35:07
 
Thank you, Lon. I worked it out with Sue at Sophia, and a new tube is headed my way.

You said you had some issues with the Aqua IIs. Could you elaborate on these issues so I know what to look out for when the new tube arrives?

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Reply #3 - 11/11/24 at 20:05:07
 
The issues I had were of my own making I believe. I've come to realize that they may not be an ideal tube for the SEWE300B, though they work great in the CSP3 and the Zen-clone amp I have. I blew one of them by turning my amp on and off too often when testing fuses and the direction of the fuses. And then I blew a second when I was installing a Swiss Digital Fuse Box. . . I am not sure exactly why that happened, whether the initial turn on of the Fuse Box caused it to blow, or if it was a defective one (only had it going a few hours at that time). I got a third and it seemed to work okay with the SEWE300B but I just was anxious and untrusting and put it into the CSP3 and then the Zen-clone amp. It was hard to find a rectifier to replace it with. I have three of the original Aquas which are great tubes but not quite like the II. And then I had a hunch that a Psvane Treasure 274B-Z might be a good one, as it resembles so much the Shuguang Black Treasure 300B-Z tubes I adore in the SEWE300B and it has proven to be a fantastic rectifier for that amp. And I bought another that is fantastic in the CSP3 and I put the Aqua II in the Zen Clone amp (the CSP3 and the Zen-clone amp are the heartbeat of my living-room audio/visual system).

So. . . that's my history. I don't think the failures were the Aqua II's fault though I do think the demand that the SEWE300B seems to put on it may mean it's best for me not to use it there.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #4 - 11/11/24 at 20:27:14
 
Thanks again, Lon. Since I only have the Zen25 and won't be rolling the Aqua II to other amps, it sounds like I should be good to go.

You say the original Aquas are not quite like the II's. I take it the II's are an improvement. I have never heard the original Aqua but when I installed the Aqua II is was amazed at the difference it made.
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Reply #5 - 11/11/24 at 20:30:07
 
The original Aqua amazed me at first listening and I used them for years. . . . The II is an improvement, a bit better bass, a bit sweeter treble, a bit blacker background--they are both excellent rectifiers.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #6 - 11/11/24 at 20:31:39
 

I like Lon's response; he provided specifics on the Aqua II and the 300B. Also, I found Sue easy to work with, which goes a long way. Still, I think I am done with the Sophia tubes for now. I just had an Aqua II blow for no apparent reason that I can determine. In any case, check in with Sue if you have any concerns.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #7 - 11/12/24 at 02:14:13
 
I had a Sophia Aqua II Rectifier that was dead on arrival.  No sound at all.  Seems failures are the risk you take buying these rectifiers.  Not for me. Lon recommended the Psvane 274B-Z Treasure series and they are a really nice sounding tube.  Checks all the boxes and can be bought for $60 on Aliexpress.  2 weeks delivery.  I am shocked how good they sound on my set up after 100 hrs.
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Reply #8 - 11/12/24 at 09:18:56
 
Yes, I've been pretty blessed with reliability on the Sophia Electric rectifiers, but there are certainly reported failures. What a shame. The Psvane 274B-Z have been excellent sounding and so far without a single glitch. Also recommended for great sound along with the Sophia, and so far for reliabillity. And the price is great (I've purchased through eBay).
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Reply #9 - 11/12/24 at 17:06:04
 
Thanks Lon, Tony, and Hearafter. I appreciate your input. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the new Aqua II heading my way isn't another dud.

Those of you who've heard both the Aqua II and the Psvane 274B-Z, how would you compare them? I am considering picking up a Psvane 274B-Z because the price is right, and I might as well have a safety net to keep rocking should the new tube fail too.
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Reply #10 - 11/12/24 at 17:12:47
 
In my opinion the Psvane, in the only real Decware amp I have now, the SEWE300B, presents a more "classic" sound--a bit warmer and fuller. The Aqua II has a more modern, perhaps slightly more detailed sound--tight bass and a bit leaner highs.

Both I find with the tube complement I use are about as dynamic, micro and macro. They are both excellent tubes that are easy to live with and enjoy the Decware "sound."
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #11 - 11/13/24 at 08:12:00
 
Did a little digging to get info on the PSvane 274B-Z to give it a try. The concern I have is that the tube looks to be spec’ed for max filter capacitor rating of 4uf, which is fine for the Sarah, but the UFO25 uses a 47uf cap. Don’t know if the tube would have risk of failure much sooner, as such. The Sophia AquaII is rated to 47uf. It’s a shame people have had such reliability issues. It’s a great sounding tube. I’ve had one in for 9 months and knock on wood it’s worked fine so far.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #12 - 11/13/24 at 08:54:45
 
I hadn't delved that far into the specs. . . and my primary use was the Sarah. Still, I've been using it in my CSP3 with all the mods and the glass resistor and in the Zen-clone amp iwth the mods with no issue for some time now, no diminution of the tube's value and life as far as I can tell. (Granted this system is not used as often as the main system). Anyway as a backup tube it's quite lovely.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #13 - 11/14/24 at 03:18:59
 
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Posted by: LiquidBlue      Posted on: Today at 00:12:00

Did a little digging to get info on the PSvane 274B-Z to give it a try. The concern I have is that the tube looks to be spec’ed for max filter capacitor rating of 4uf, which is fine for the Sarah, but the UFO25 uses a 47uf cap...


Here's my thing, which is totally JMO/FWIW/YMMV and all that. The rectifier can't know and can't tell the size of the first power supply cap. What it sees and actually cares about is the "inrush current" when you turn on the amp and charge the power supply filter capacitors. In theory you can derive the inrush current from the cap size and some assumptions, but at best that is a very rough approximation of real life. Most rectifiers have two different but (IMO) related specs: the max capacitor and the max current. According to the data sheet I found the PSVane 274B-Z says the filter capacitor should be 4 uF, which is really small. But the peak anode current is 750 mA (i.e. 3/4 of an amp) which is a lot of current in the context of a Decware amp, esp. a preamp or a UFO amp.

So if it were me, I would focus on the 750 mA spec and be confident the rectifier is safe in my low power amp or pre. But, if it were really me, I'm pretty allergic to current production tubes because in my experience the quality control seems to be lacking. At least compared to the tubes made during the "golden age of tube tech" which was generally the 40s into the 60s. So I stick with NOS. Again, JMO and all that.
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Reply #14 - 11/14/24 at 20:49:27
 
Thanks CAJames! Good info. Realized after I posted that the 5R4GY rectifiers I’ve used before are spec’ed similarly, so that makes sense.  Agree with you on NOS tubes. I’ve had 2 rectifiers go on me. One, a type 80 globe, arc’ed on first startup, likely due to shipping damage, so I will discount that. The other was a new production tube after about 50 hours of good use. Fortunately, the Sophia has been good for me, but a cheaper alternative that sounds just about as good would be nice to have on the radar. Realistically, I have enough NOS rectifiers to last a very long time, so I should probably enjoy what I have.
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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #15 - 11/15/24 at 16:04:30
 
Actually, there's far more to what's going on than the inrush current. There's a reason rectifier tubes have max ratings for the first filter cap.

this is a little long, but explains it far better than I could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iizt5cnq2oY

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Re: Ringing Sophia Electric AquaII 274B Rectifier Tube
Reply #16 - 11/15/24 at 18:11:45
 
I'm out a little over my skies here, but in the video the power supply caps were separated by chokes, i.e. inductors. In Decware amps, and most tube amps that I know of, there are resistors between the caps and that significantly mitigates the current surge between the voltage peaks during normal operation. That said, I'll never say anyone is wrong for wanting to stick with the datasheet values for the first cap in the power supply.
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