After some long deliberation, I have decided to part ways with some of the best sounding speakers I will ever hear. I'm a little too nervous having these with a 3 and 5 year old, and with kids I rarely get to sit in Position A to really get the true essence of the speakers. What sets these speakers apart from what you can get elsewhere?... these were Steve Deckert's personal pair! Steve added extra bracing, extra baffling, extra feet, and some upgraded wiring to these. I even think he did a few other things. According to Mr. Deckert, these will hit an octave lower than what you can buy directly from Lii Song. And from personal experience, there is absolutely no need for a subwoofer with these! I had these perfectly paired with a 2.3 watt Decware amp. To be honest, I'd be willing to sell the amp, too. The sound is incredible. I'm looking to get $2200 for the speakers. If interested, send me a message and we can discuss. More pics available when I figure out how to make them a smaller file size. Happy listening!