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04/06/25 at 20:40:57
 


I feel like I should include this photo again... Don't worry, this one is not a bank busting acquisition. Be warned though, I sent Kamran a sneak preview and he already bought one.  ;D

I was reading a thread about LPSs and someone mentioned the Zayin Audio Suprareg being the best LPS they have heard and they have experience with a bunch of them. I went to the Zayin Audio website to browse and spotted the Gcude BG/01 I figured I would give two of them a try.

I hooked one to the Spdif RCA on the Lampizator TRP and one to the USB on the backup slot of the Innuos ZENith MK3.

I sat down and just thought “no way!” the change was instant. Music sounded good, so I figured I would just enjoy for a while. 

Zayin Audio’s website provides a brief, three-paragraph description of the Gcude BG/01.

“The Zayin Gcube revolutionizes audio quality with its advanced noise elimination technology. By establishing a seamless connection to digital or audio ground, it eradicates harsh noise, revealing previously hidden details and nuances in your music. 

With a simple setup, this device transforms your listening experience, delivering crystal-clear vocals, vibrant instrumentals, and unparalleled clarity. 

Say goodbye to background noise and hello to a new level of sonic purity. Elevate your audio journey with the Gcube and rediscover the true essence of music.“

They do exactly what it says in the sale copy. I could stop because Zayin is so accurate with what the magic box does.

My system is the most holographic and enveloping system I’ve ever listened to. Adding the Gcude increased the holography and envelopingness. More importantly, it gave more density clarity realness to the musical world around the listening position.

The recording’s setting offers a more tactile experience. Example Branford Marsalis - Blues for One truly feel and hear the sound in the cathedral. Without the guide, when Branford plays, the cathedral’s ambiance is muddled and pushed into the background. With the Gcude the cathedral and Branford are playing together off one another. The cathedral becomes a performer. Perhaps “Blues for Two” would have been a better title.

The Gcudes provide a calmness to the music. Don’t think this means boring! In actuality, the reverse is true. The music is more exciting. The dynamic contrast seems to be increased. Music has a calm intensity to it. It’s also easier to become 100% relaxed and melt into the music.

Adding these effects a paradoxical shift: simultaneously subtle and significant. When my brother came over to give me a reality check, he asked them to be disconnected and reconnected 3 times before making any comments. Paraphrasing what he said. The more you listen, the more you realize what they are doing. Gives everything a more natural sound, it’s faster to relax into the music. 

His girlfriend, also in the room, remarked that the Gcudes sounded snappier when they were in the system.

Cymbals have more texture and nuance. There is a rich vibrant energy to the music. Density and speed. Puts a luxurious feel to the music.

Overall I’m blown away with the Gcudes. I’ve tried a few of the grounding boxes that are connected to unused RCA, XLR, Ethernet, etc and they have made an improvement that I enjoy. Removing unknown hash, the Gcudes are on a whole different level. 

The most obvious functional difference is the Gcudes use a 9v battery while the other ones I’ve used use a mixture of different powders or something.

Zayin estimate the 9v battery to last 2 years. 

I bought 2 units and tried them on 3 components, in order of improvement:

Lampizator GA TRP DAC.
Innuos ZENith MK3 server.
EMIA Autoformer preamp.

The DAC was a massive change. If I had one Gcude I would put it on the DAC for sure. Adding the second gives more of what it’s doing. 

I bought some 2mm banana plugs so I can make a cable for my phono stage and see if I get an improvement on that too. I emailed Matthew at Zayin Audio asking if they make an ethernet cable for the Gcude. He said he would make me one.

I’m blown away with the level of improvement these tiny little boxes make. At less than $300, they are not cheap. However, the level of improvement they brought was significant.

I was using a CAD GC1 “Ground Control” hooked up to the Innuos and Lampizator. It removed some of the hash that wasn’t obvious, it was also not obvious and it was subtle.

Reading reviews of the CAD products, some people are absolutely blown away with the CAD GC1. In my systems, it was always subtle. I ended up selling the CAD unit and I’m going to order two more of the Gcudes and see if I keep getting more improvement. The first one added to the Lampizator was the lion’s share of the improvement. Second Gcude things improved, but less so.

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Reply #1 - 04/06/25 at 21:12:11
 
I'm both intrigued and confused. Intrigued for all the obvious reasons but confused because I don't understand what you do with it. Just plug it into an unused input in the DAC? The website seems to be short on operational details.
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Reply #2 - 04/06/25 at 22:20:13
 
James,

I get it, It didn't even come with any paper work just the two boxes.

Yes, plug it into an unused input or possibly output depending on the component. I would say it's in the grounding device "ground box" realm of things. Similar to CAD and Entreq grounding products. It's odd because they don't really ground anything. They do work. I've tried ones by Afterdark too. The Gcude is the first one that I really noticed a wow with.
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Reply #3 - 04/06/25 at 22:41:38
 
OK, thanks. I don't have any experience with "ground boxes" but you were oh so right about the STR so I just ordered one. Will report back.
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Reply #4 - 04/06/25 at 23:50:22
 

Over the past hour, I have read whatever I could find about "What is a Signal Ground Box?" From what I could find, it looks good. In the end, however, I thought I need a "Micky." Remember that Life cereal commercial from many years ago with three brothers?
 
Two of them were hesitant to try the "healthy" cereal. They decided to give it to their younger brother, "Mikey," who was known for disliking everything. To their surprise, Mikey loved it, and the famous line "He likes it! Hey Mikey!" was born.  

I was thinking what I need is a "Mikey" to step in and give this cereal, or Signal Ground Box, another review! Then, who pops up precisely at that moment? CA "Mikey" James. Smiley

I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts!
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Reply #5 - 04/07/25 at 02:01:07
 
I ordered one RCA unit for my DAC last week. The charged $38 for FedEx shipping.  However, I am still waiting for the shipping notification (hopefully by tomorrow).

This reminds me of when James and I were on a race to get our respective Decware amps two years ago.
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Reply #6 - 04/07/25 at 02:05:59
 
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...This reminds me of when James and I were on a race to get our respective Decware amps two years ago.


Ah, the good old days.

And, BTW, you're lagging in the race to get a STR. Just sayin. I'm looking forward to your thoughts in any event.

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Reply #7 - 04/07/25 at 03:43:41
 
Yep, definitely lagging on that front. Whenever I upgrade to a tube DAC, that will probably be my trigger point for an STR.

Looking forward to reviewing the Gcube soon!
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Reply #8 - 04/07/25 at 14:14:58
 
Very interesting new equipment review, thanks GS. In checking out the rear panel of my Modwright modified CXN 2, I only have an unused coaxial output and XLR outputs. Does anyone know which might prove best for use with the gcude?

I'm trying to figure out whether to get a cable terminated by an XLR or RCA plug (which should work with the coaxial output). Any insights would be appreciated. Oh, and how long is the cable?

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Reply #9 - 04/07/25 at 14:36:11
 
Me too HK. There is not much info on this device. Intriguing anyways! Maybe Groovy can open it up and give us a shot. I'm thinking a tuned high impedance RC circuit amplified and fed back. The box looks to be the most cost wise for production.
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Reply #10 - 04/07/25 at 14:46:03
 
I have to say that this wooden mystery box is quite intriguing.  If my wife didn’t put a hault on my audio spending right now, I would have seriously considered making a purchase.  

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Does anyone know which might prove best for use with the gcude?
I'm trying to figure out whether to get a cable terminated by an XLR or RCA plug (which should work with the coaxial output). Any insights would be appreciated. Oh, and how long is the cable?
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Roger….I was thinking the same thing.  I guess in theory the XLR input would be the quietest connection by design.  If I had to pick one of the two, I would say the RCA terminal would be my 1st choice.  But without knowing the technology behind what it accomplishes…. My choice would be educated guess at this point.  

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Reply #11 - 04/07/25 at 14:52:17
 
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...In checking out the rear panel of my Modwright modified CXN 2, I only have an unused coaxial output and XLR outputs.


I feel like you'd want to connect it to a digital input on the CXN if that is your DAC, but JMO.

Also just guessing but I don't think RCA vs XLR matters very much in this context. I don't see how there is anything differential/balanced in the box so it is literally just about the connector.

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Reply #12 - 04/07/25 at 15:44:18
 
CA James, I'm using the CXN V2 as my streamer and DAC. I currently have my CD transport plugged into my CXN V2 coax input, but rarely listen to CD's these days given my Qobuz/ROON steaming sound quality.

That said, I could always try out the coax input and output Jack to see if there's any difference. Hopefully GS will chime on since he seems to be the only one with direct listening experience at this point.

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Reply #13 - 04/07/25 at 16:53:03
 
James, I’m looking forward to your report. Heads up, it took 12 days before it shipped. Once shipped, it arrived quickly. I’m concerned as the CAD GC1 that I sold people ranted and raved about how much of a difference it made and I got nothing as significant as others reported.

The cable is about 18 inches.

If there is a difference between the XLR and RCA It might be component specific. If they share the same ground I cannot imagine it being much if any difference. I’m still surprised at all the things that make a difference so who knows! Cheesy I agree with James, digital input is my gut reaction.

For me and my system, I chose the RCA because I can also use it on my preamp too.

ZBzen, There is ZERO info about these out there! We are blazing the way! All the circuity is in a sealed 3D printed box inside the wooden box, I' don’t want to pry into it.

I’m waiting for the ethernet cable which should be sometime next week, then I’m going to order that.

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Reply #14 - 04/07/25 at 17:22:57
 
Shucks Groovy. I was thinking of using this device in the ZDAK usb input. I get the feeling it will not work with it. ZDAC uses physical switches to switch between digital inputs.

Blaze the way!

Hopefully more info will surface down the beaten path.
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Reply #15 - 04/07/25 at 18:36:16
 
Thanks Groovy, I'm under no illusions about how long stuff is going to take to ship.

FWIW I have an "interesting" digital situation. I play files (but don't stream) from a laptop via USB and spin CDs on a transport via AES/EBU. Both those sources go into a Digital to Digital Converter (DDC) where they are regenerated and reclocked then output on I2S to my DAC. So the question is where to apply the Gcude? Obviously I'll try both, in the RCA S/PDIF connection, and I'm hopeful that one is more significant than the other. I was tempted to buy two so I could treat both, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
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Reply #16 - 04/08/25 at 19:25:39
 
JBzen, Does it lift the ground when switching? Most components have all the grounds tied together.

Where to place it is a tough one, especially if different connections are needed. I really don't know what will make the biggest difference. Matthew from Zayin Audio got back to me and said that it will be the end of April when the ethernet cables will be ready.

I made 2 cables that I can use to try hooking up to the ground of the speakers. I'm also going to try on the the phono stage.

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Reply #17 - 04/09/25 at 01:34:35
 
What is the point? It probably does not break ground. Steve would know for sure if he has time to dig into his records. I personally do not remember all my endeavors without digging.
I am at camp now babysitting the trailer so can not open up the ZDAK to answer your question. Why would we even get into a discussion about that anyhow? How it relates to a device that seems to have well hidden secrets?
My thoughts come from the fact that the mysterious device needs power that may??? generate some sort of feedback eliminating hash. If so, that would require an intact circuit.
Further, 3d printing a box around the circuitry brings up a few thoughts that won't be shared here.
I hoped it would work for me but need more info before throwing money at it and wasting time. It sounds like it is doing a great job in your system and I was eager to give it a shot placing the device where I think it would do the best job in mine. My backlog of projects has grown to a level of peaceful comfort that will not be undone.
Thanks for sharing this and your past contributions to this forum.
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Reply #18 - 04/10/25 at 16:54:52
 
The Gcude connects to the ground of the component, if it lifts ground then the Gcude won't be doing anything.

There are DIY plans out there for grounding devices they use a mixture different materials. The Gcude seems to be an active version of these.

Here a photo of the unit with the "cover" taken off.



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Reply #19 - 04/10/25 at 19:40:29
 
FWIW/FYI I just received an email from Zayin saying due to moving the workshop my order should ship April 24th.
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Reply #20 - 04/11/25 at 02:02:44
 
I got the same e-mail.
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Reply #21 - 04/11/25 at 14:04:56
 
Same same.  Estimated shipping date 4/24/2025
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Reply #22 - 04/12/25 at 07:24:50
 
Hey Groovy,

I did look inside the ZDAK. The grounds are all interconnected. The switches are connected to the main/only board. I think the Gcude, no matter how it does its thing, will work with the ZDAK being swithes are attached directly with the circuit board instead of breaking circuit before it.

My old school ways Smiley

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Reply #23 - 04/16/25 at 05:15:44
 
Do you think the Gcude BG/01's powerful performance comes partly from its special compatibility with your system (DAC TRP, ZENith MK3), or can it deliver similar performance on more mainstream systems? I'm curious if this is a "worthwhile upgrade for any system" or a "catalyst" for already high-end configurations.  Incredibox
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Reply #24 - 04/16/25 at 14:41:43
 
Bob, you jumped in too, nice!

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Do you think the Gcude BG/01's powerful performance comes partly from its special compatibility with your system (DAC TRP, ZENith MK3), or can it deliver similar performance on more mainstream systems? I'm curious if this is a "worthwhile upgrade for any system" or a "catalyst" for already high-end configurations.


I don't know. I'm guessing it will have a positive impact on most systems.

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